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ATTN: ring rush
« on: February 21, 2021, 01:04:12 am »
Im glad I finally got my voice back this needed to be said a long time ago, Im not opening accusing ring rush of cheating but I am openingly accusing ringrush of using emulator for SSR which gives him and unfair advantage in 99% of runs and advanced controller input, that is why he won't post any videos of his record runs
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Re: ATTN: ring rush
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2021, 01:54:10 am »
First of all, you know there are better places to get my attention than a dead forum that someone happened to mention to me about. If you're going to accuse me of cheating (and yes, I consider claims of advanced controller input cheating), then you should at least do it in a place where it is reasonable to expect me to see it.

I do use dolphin when I TAS, but all my RTAs are 100% on a wii (or lately a wii u), with a wiimote.

A lot of my times are from long before Dolphin existed or had proper wii support. If you're specifically concerned about more recent ones, here are some videos and proofs of runs I've done in the last several years (admittedly I haven't done a ton). These aren't all on the site because I stopped submitting to this site.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF1lNyGOzUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LTGcaZ0eNg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Hy2s_fXkA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBspNIzdcTQ
https://twitter.com/RusherOfRings/status/1147990052783325184


You can see both the video quality gap and the play gap between these and the videos I post of TASes (on Twitter, or further below in this post). The PS9 video pretty explicitly shows that I'm playing on a TV. Technically it doesn't "prove" anything because I could just be displaying an emulator run on a TV and then re-capturing, but these are clearly timestamped as done years ago and not in response to this. I've also played Secret Rings live in front of people before, and streamed me doing Alf Layla with controller cam on Twitch before.

I agree that advanced controller input gives a massive advantage. And I am a huge advocate of using proper control schemes, and have campaigned for more restrictions on controllers across multiple games including storybook sonic games. My main motivation for this is that I don't want someone using some trivializing control scheme when I've put a lot of effort into using motion controls to the best of my ability.

I'll leave you with this - it's a tool assisted reference point. This is a better approximation of the kind of time you get if you use Dolphin and their implementation of "hold key down to automatically shake", not baby 45.21 like I have or a 45.31 like you have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRe897evQik
« Last Edit: February 23, 2021, 05:06:40 pm by Ring Rush »
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Re: ATTN: ring rush
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2022, 11:48:35 pm »
First of all, you know there are better places to get my attention than a dead forum that someone happened to mention to me about. If you're going to accuse me of cheating (and yes, I consider claims of advanced controller input cheating), then you should at least do it in a place where it is reasonable to expect me to see it.

I do use dolphin when I TAS, but all my RTAs are 100% on a wii (or lately a wii u), with a wiimote.

A lot of my times are from long before Dolphin existed or had proper wii support. If you're specifically concerned about more recent ones, here are some videos and proofs of runs I've done in the last several years (admittedly I haven't done a ton). These aren't all on the site because I stopped submitting to this site.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF1lNyGOzUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LTGcaZ0eNg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Hy2s_fXkA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBspNIzdcTQ
https://twitter.com/RusherOfRings/status/1147990052783325184


You can see both the video quality gap and the play gap between these and the videos I post of TASes (on Twitter, or further below in this post). The PS9 video pretty explicitly shows that I'm playing on a TV. Technically it doesn't "prove" anything because I could just be displaying an emulator run on a TV and then re-capturing, but these are clearly timestamped as done years ago and not in response to this. I've also played Secret Rings live in front of people before, and streamed me doing Alf Layla with controller cam on Twitch before.

I agree that advanced controller input gives a massive advantage. And I am a huge advocate of using proper control schemes, and have campaigned for more restrictions on controllers across multiple games including storybook sonic games. My main motivation for this is that I don't want someone using some trivializing control scheme when I've put a lot of effort into using motion controls to the best of my ability.

I'll leave you with this - it's a tool assisted reference point. This is a better approximation of the kind of time you get if you use Dolphin and their implementation of "hold key down to automatically shake", not baby 45.21 like I have or a 45.31 like you have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRe897evQik

actually disgusted, you know we are both boomers now with access to more tech than we know what to do with. all you did is post clips of less than 30 second speed runs that you can easily replicate as a human while dodging full hard to replicate speed runs without super human shaking, then in the last sentence you actually mention you know how to cheat but you dont... (kappa) and mention you know the perfect time for a boss... so you can technically just hold the button a little less than someone really playing and appear to be legit right? kinda explains same day/next day beating of certain records.

Bro you the only one that knows how to cheat on the wii like this especially THAT far back in the day how do you explain this?

you the only one of the few back in the SSR days using dolphin too on the wii? did you use that on your wii for records too? I fell like skylights/stefan is the true champion of this board. someone needs to investigate this hard.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2022, 11:54:13 pm by sonicandamy »
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Re: ATTN: ring rush
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2022, 04:30:19 pm »
I uploaded a video of Alf Layla the day after I got it, which is one of the longest levels in the game and involves a lot of shaking. I streamed Bemoth and Sand Scorpion live on Twitch. But you're just going to call all that Dolphin too, so I can't win here.

Your entire argument boils down to 1) I know how to cheat using Dolphin, 2) I get faster times then you, 3) And therefore I am cheating to get faster times than you. When I post years-old proof of me playing off a TV, you just say I'm cherry picking or that I'm running dolphin on Wii. I'm not interested in running this game any more, and so I'm not going to redo all missions with controller cam just because you want to stir up drama.

So I'm going to ignore the rest of your baseless speculation now and use this opportunity to advertise the super cool All Missions TAS I made. If you want to see actual superhuman play, and not just play that is better than sonicandamy but still human, check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJhP2yusVWc

« Last Edit: April 20, 2022, 07:05:46 pm by Ring Rush »
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